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November 24, 2024

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One other thing we forgot to mention. The final rule does not provide a grace period for applications filed prior to the rule going into effect. In other words, if you have a pending application with 50 references cited pre-rule, your first post-rule IDS would trigger IDS fees.

I see your concerns from Applicants/client side, but there are serious concerns on the examiner side that I don’t think you see (and I’m confident the Office has not relayed well). I have had a good amount of experience with this exact issue at the Office (large IDSs) if you want to chat offline.

These are not unreasonable fees, but if it is of real concern to a client, here are two ideas [for responsive adverse comments?] to avoid these excess prior art citation fees?: (1) When ordering prior art searches, set reasonable limits for the searcher on the number of reported items. (2) Cite unknown claim materiality prior art collections in the spec background section rather than on the IDS form.

These IDS fees, like most of the other fees imposed by the USPTO recently (e.g. "non-docx filing fee") are nothing but a money grab. Everyone knows that examiners (a) often don't look at the things on IDSes, and (b) are not given time to look closely at every item on even a relatively small IDS, let alone an IDS with 50 references or more. So as it stands currently, IDS practice is in many if not most cases a legal fiction - and it's certainly a fiction in cases of large IDSes: the Examiner says "all the art was considered", even though it wasn't, and in a licensing or acquisition negotiation, or in litigation, everyone pretends that the examiner actually considered everything in the IDS and that the patent is therefore stronger. The new fees won't change a thing about that.

Rather, IDSes will continue to be primarily a cover-your-rear business for applicants and their attorneys, because of Rule 56, and because of the court-created doctrine of inequitable conduct (which creates obligations that overlap with but are not the same as those of Rule 56). And the PTO will rake in money that does nothing to improve examination, because it will still be cheaper to pay for a longer IDS than it will be to later on litigate the omission of some publication from an IDS. That cost disparity will be further exacerbated if the applicant or attorney spends time trying to sort out which references are relevant and which references are cumulative of one another. (I don't know any practitioners who will do that - even if a client will pay for it, the malpractice risk is too high. Just pony up the fee).

Yet another present from Kathi Vidal. I sincerely hope the person Trump picks to replace her undoes the lousy things she's done and cleans up the mess she's left.

Is there any rebuttal to what Dan Feigelson so trenchantly writes? It makes total sense to me. You?

How shall Vidal's successor clear up "the mess"? Merely to rescind the new rule doesn't solve anything. Does a solution to the problem exist? If so, what is it?

When I file a reference in a foreign language, I often will provide a translation as an NPL. This doubles the number of references. Any suggestions on how to handle this? Can they be filed as one document? Or is that "gaming the system"?

Karen- I provide just the translation. It conveys the content of the art (I include legible reproductions of photos, drawings, charts, etc.), and the publication date, which are all the Examiner needs.
(I don't worry about failing to disclose some detail due to a poor translation, since I'm only aware of what the translation says.)

Karen and James: why not merge the original foreign language document and the translation into a single pdf file, and submit it that way, listing it as single document on the IDS?

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